Its Infuriating!
Read on rediff and I am disgusted to the core to know that there are a few cheap and opportunistic priests and nuns who are trying to convert the poor Tsunami-struck fishermen by offering them aid. Thanks to these so called helpful Christians, decent people like Mother Teressa might be turning in their graves. Which world do these people come from? Haven't they seen/read enough about the 1984 Sikh massacre, Bombay riots, Godhra - Gujarat carnage? In a country which is as volatile as ours, we don't need big issues to cause a bloodshed. So please go home, take up your Bible and study and not just read, understand and not just learn the verses and passages by rote and what I told my friend last weekend is what I'm saying now & I am as sure of this as of the fact that I am breathing - the God that I believe in is above all trivialities of life. He'd rather see us all live in peace than kill each other in His name.
"God, please forgive (& FORGET) them coz they know not what they do."
"God, please forgive (& FORGET) them coz they know not what they do."
posted by Reena Mathews at 4:45 PM
12 Comments:
With all due respect, this is bulls**t. If christian missionaries help the people,
with their money and proselytize in the process, isn't it still better than doing nothing?
All the hindus or muslims infuriated by all this should to the people and say, "Krishna/Allah
(whatever) have sent these missionaries to help you. They will give you money, but don't listen
to anything they say about Jesus or judgement day or salvation. This is God's way of testing you
of your faith. But keep the money". If the people are dumb enough to apostate their faith for years
some money, I am sure they are dumb enough to believe the above sermon too.
It's pretty clear that religion is not about faith anymore. It's about the numbers and the political
power that comes with it. Let's start with the libertarian principle that you have the freedom to do
anything provided freedom of others are not obstructed. Religious conversion doesn't obstruct anybody's
freedom!. Well, now people say its about money missionaries have and how that is used to undue advantage.
Exactly! There can never be true freedom in a capitalist society. Everybody has to come to terms with it
If a true free society has to established, capitalists structres have to be dismantled. Whether the possibilty
of a socialist society - with equal opportunity and hence true freedom exisits - is Utopia or a dream that
can be realized - I leave that question for you to decide.
Again, please, what is the logic behind the statement
"Haven't they seen/read enough about the 1984 Sikh massacre, Bombay riots, Godhra - Gujarat carnage?"
Should people back down from what they think is right because these incidents happened? People have
given a name for that kind of social behaviour - FASCISM.
I find it truly infuriating that every person with a christian lineage or christian sounding name
is expected to feel sorry and appear apologetic because one bunch of fools do something and another don't
like it.
"Helping" this way is not help but merely commercializing on the plight of the poor.
I am not against religious conversion, be it Christianity or any other, it just has to be out of one's own volition.
Agreed their cannot be true freedom but I can dream of it, talk about it & if in doing so I am branded a pro socialist then so be it.
No, people should not back off from what they think is right but helping the poor only if they convert to Christianity else not, is WRONG.
Anyone who is a TRUE Christian (not by lineage or name) will feel sorry to read that some people can stoop so low for the sake of religion. When there are thousands dead & more still suffering, this is a cheap shot. U may feel its ok, thats your opinion & I respect that. To each his own.
James3:13 - Who is there among you who is wise and intelligent? Then let him by his noble living show forth his [good] works with the [unobtrusive] humility [which is the proper attribute] of true wisdom.
it is very easy to criticize other people's work or effort isn't it ??? Especially when you have not lifted a finger to improve the situation, but keep raising your voice!!!
it is good in one way, other people will get a feeling that you are righteous, considerate, compassionate, and all that!!!
I challenge you to do something to improve the situation if you really are bothered by the exploitation taking place in peoples life!!!!
by the way do you have anything to say about licenced prostitution in India do you?? The previous Govt had gives plenty of new licences and there were people against these prostitutes changing their lifestyle and living a normal life again because of nuns and priests .
The charges were that they were cheap and opportunistic priests and nuns who are trying to convert poor prostitutes by offerring them aid.
If you are keen in the media you will have plenty of better examples to be infuriated at!! why were you not??
Why do you single out nuns and priests???
Either you must be really ignorant or you are doing this for some cheap publicity!!! oppourtunitistic!!!
come on now do something that improves the situation of others and post it on your blog!!!!
Yes I am not very impressed by this display of selective infuriation!!!
belated republicday wishes :))
take care
Siju: Yes, criticizing is easy. See, that’s exactly what you have done too. Infact you have gone a step further – u have tried to judge me – how do u know that I am not putting in any effort to make the difference? Just bcoz I haven’t put that on my blog???
But know what, I don’t think I need to justify my reasons … let people who come to this blog read the posts & comments & form whatever opinion they want to. Coz that’s not going to change the person that I am or the way I feel.
Happy belated Republic Day to u too!!! Rest in email.
I saw this rediff news too a few days back and had the same emotions as you have laid out in your blog. However to me its more a case of knowing priests and nuns first hand and seeing what they do than believe what some media has to say. I remember a similar incident at Rajahmundry (a small town in Andhra Pradesh) a few years back. It was one of those divine center (pottaa, Kerala) retreats which mom forced me to go and attend. It was more of a prayer meeting than anything else and unless i was unaware of something happening in the background i never saw/ heard of any forcible/ voluntary conversions. But when the retreat was over i learnt that there was a mob outside protesting vehemently against conversions even as the retreat was going on. I read the same in the following days news paper too, which the priest and the brothers denied.
Also if you think about it, a lot of schools and some hospitals and other institutions are run by Catholic - well more precisely Christian organizations. If conversions were the order of the day you should be seeing a lot more Christians in India, than the 2% right now.
Anyhow my point is that though i read the news too i simply couldnt believe it completely cause of my past experience and just the numbers. But just like you said, if it were true i also deem it to be cheap and opportunistic.
"the God that I believe in is above all trivialities of life. He'd rather see us all live in peace than kill each other in His name" -- agree whole heartedly !.
How's the New Orleans Trip coming along ? .. :)
Yes reena!!! hahaha!!!
Just the same arguments I expected to see this morning!!!
ditto!!!!
Thats why I took the time to read your blog toady as the first thing after i reached the office :)))))))
You are very good at making "Politically Correct" statements dear!!! hahaha!!!:))))))))
So you judged them and i judged you and again you judged me so we all judge eachother!!! hahaha!!!
Any clue How I was able to predict your reaction with the exact words????
Because this is the standard style arguments proceed when such topics are confronted!!! hahaha!!!
You can find a million example on the net :)))
Ok so you say I went one steap ahead????
how???
you mean to say you did not judge them???? ok i was not able to make that out from the style of your writing, sorry dear!!! the style suggested ultimate judgement :)))
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"how do u know that I am not putting in any effort to make the difference? Just bcoz I haven’t put that on my blog???"
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Its a good question for argument :)))
I cannot prove anything!!!
If you are doing something then am so glad :))
If you are doing it in secret then excellent!!! you need to be praised!!!
really are you???
If then I have a suggestion :))))
There are a good number of christian missionaries from all denominattions who does sacrificial work among the poor, and down trodden and the tribals in India. There are a bunch of rotten apples too.
Already the media will not report anything good about those genuine missionaries and they even try to tarnish the image due to political and religious pressure!!!!
And the rotten apples are doing enough to make people hate all missionaries. So if you post blogs like these it will result in people having a very negative and unbalanced attitude towards the genuine ones and you will join the brigade of the rotten apples without knowing it in that you have caused hindrance to the Lord's work by indulging in unbalanced propoganda.
So before you said all these you could atleast give the reports of some genuine work done by missionaries for the tsunami victims!!! did you do that??? may be you don't know about it beacuse the media didn't report or you thought it was not worth the mentioning??
Flippant and hasty remarks like yours have done a lot of damage already!!
So if you are really in the business of improving the situation then this advice may be a bit helpful I suppose!!!
There are two classic examples of infuriations in the bible which I, You, and everybody should learn from and avoid!! Saul & David (wiill write the details in email if you are interested)
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"But know what, I don’t think I need to justify my reasons … let people who come to this blog read the posts & comments & form whatever opinion they want to. Coz that’s not going to change the person that I am or the way I feel"
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Its not a brave attitude:)) contrary to what you would think!!!
have you heard of the phrase ""The set will of the weak."
At first this seems contradictory - how can the weak person have a set will?
The answer is, I believe, that the weak person is afraid to let go of his/her beliefs - because he/she has nothing to replace them with or is afraid to replace them with truth because then it would be a huge blow to his/her ego!
If no one can change the person you are by critizing you then it is not a good character trait!!! And every person should change constantly for the betterment!!!
And criticism is one such blessing that help us do that :))) though it hurts initially like salt in the wound it heals gradually and then preserves you finally
In my humble opinion you should let go of the attitude that "come what may I will not change the person I am and the way i feel"
You indirectly say that you are right all the time and you are perfect!!!
This is what comes to my mind!!
" He/She who does not seek advice is a fool. His/her folly blinds him/her to truth and makes him evil, stubborn, and a danger to his/her fellow man."
- Kahlil Gibran
I just can't imagine what could have happened if I disregarded all the cruel criticisms that came towards me in my work place!!!! Some times I rebelled some times I resisted with stubbornness but finally i gave up and let it change my character slowly and I am still in that path!!!
I am not wise enough to say that "I will not change the person I am and the way i feel" because it will make me a harmful person to others regardles of what i profess or preach or pretend to be ( we all pretend to some dergree on the outside of who we really are regardless of the denials about it).
A wise man can learn from the fool but the fool cannot learn even from the wiseest :)))
So when people shout at us, criticize us, make fun of us, ridicule us, correct us, accuse us, these are all golden oppourtunities to change to a better person :))
Don't let go of it because of ignorance or pride :))
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"Siju: Yes, criticizing is easy. See, that’s exactly what you have done too. Infact you have gone a step further – u have tried to judge me –"
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Well I don't disagree :)) but how will a person be able to speak the truth to another then???
Don't you think I am a little better because I spoke it directly to you and not put it in my private blog whereyou got no chance to see it and react and that I gave you a chance to react unlike you put those statements of yours where the concerned could not see or even know that you are doing it!!!
you can call me anything I'll take it :))
But please don't expect flatterry from me!!!
As long as you put up with me i'll keep visiting, encouraging, disagree with you, critize you judge you at times (not concoiusly or willfully but it happens at times to me as to so many others, haha!!)
i'll also let your encouragement nourish my spirit, your disagreement, criticisms, judgements, rebukes, insults, ridicules change me for the better :))))
I am afraid to read your email now hahaha!!!
take care and bye
luv
and paul!!! how did you ever reach here???
long time no see!!! where are you dear?? and where is the link on your blog to typein comments????
luv
Paul: Missed your call y'day. Guess for good :)
New Orlean's trip looks like a distant dream since I havent heard from the other two yet but what happened to your Houston & OK trip?
I believe all the argument , criticism and clarifiactions exchanged was arguements for the sake of it!!!
We need to appreciate the laudable work done by Christain missionaries across the world and especially tribal , underdeveloped belts in India and not react to such baseless comments posted by the media about luring fishermen with money. Check the authenticity of the statements first and then give your expert opinions.
Do not judge lest you be judged the same way!!
Wow...I may be late but I couldn't resist commenting...
Your views are completely baseless and I feel sorry for you...
Why would you assume to know the thoughts and intentions of the priests and nuns? Why not protest against violence done in the name of religion why protest against good deeds?
Thank you!
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